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{{Style S-HPB SB. HPB note|N.Y. World. Jan 20. 1877 (Curtis)|center}}
{{Style P-Subtitle|A Double Attack upon Science and Dogmatic Theology.}}
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Mme. Blavatsky was found yesterday afternoon sitting by a blue window with
rose-pink curtains at a large library-table which occupied all the available
space that was not taken up by a desk almost as large, in her cosy workroom. She
is an affable Russian lady, no longer very young and certainly not old, who is
known all over the world as a scholar in various branches of occult knowledge.
She was a member of the commission appointed some time since by the Russian
Government to investigate spiritualism, and dissents decidedly from the report
of that commission, which was adverse to the claims of Spiritualists. Piled up
on the table and desk, and strewed thick upon the floor were hundreds upon
hundreds of sheets of manuscript, and in the circumscribed space on the table,
kept clear for reading and writing were proof-sheets and more manuscripts and
writing materials.
 
“Yes, I am writing a book,” she said in reply to a question from the reporter.
“It is to be called ‘The Veil of Isis,’ and is in two parts. In the first part I
attack science, and in the second part dogmatic theology.”
 
“Surely you do not attack science,” said the startled reporter, wondering what
would be left.
 
“No, not science as it is, but the teachings of modern scientists. Science is a
true and beautiful thing, but these modern scientists have not found out what it
is. They borrow theories from the ancients, and dress them up in beautiful,
eloquent language, and pass them off for their own productions. The ideas that
Huxley advanced while he was over here are all taken from the ancients, as I
shall show in my book. But they don’t any of them know what they talk
about—Huxley, Tyndall and the rest. They refuse to investigate things which are
absolutely demonstrated, and they break their noses over the origin of matter,
which is a correlation of spirit, and they reach, for a conclusion, the
annihilation of man.”
 
“What is your religion?” asked the reporter.
 
“I am a Buddhist.”
 
“But does not Buddhism hold out annihilation as the last, best good?”
 
“Not at all. That is simply one of the misrepresentations of ignorant
theologians. The Buddhists say that whatever is beyond the power of human
language to describe, beyond the reach of human intellect to conceive—whatever
is impossible in any measure to understand is, so far as man is concerned,
non-existent, and what we term God is therefore non-existent. That is, that so
far as the understanding of man is concerned God can have no existence. You see
it is merely a refinement of metaphysics. And they believe in the triple nature
of man; they teach that we are a material body, an astral body and pure soul, or
''nous'', as the Greek terms it. After the death of the material body we lead a
dual existence, and finally, when purified, the soul enters ''nirwana'', that
is, it rejoins the Creator.”
 
“But do Buddhists believe in spirits?”
 
“Most certainly. The lives of the fakirs illustrate that. A European or an
American can hardly imagine the lives they lead. They remain in one attitude, in
one spot, for years absorbed in the contemplation of their souls. If you put
food into the mouth of one of them he will eat it. If you don’t, he will quietly
sit and starve to death. These men are possessed of pure spirits. And they
apparently overcome the laws governing matter. You would not believe me if I
should tell you what I have seen them do, and yet the whole world knows that the
Prince of Wales saw one of them lift himself up and sit motionless in mid air a
yard or more away from any support.”{{Style S-HPB SB. HPB note|#}}
 
“But what is this astral body you speak of?”
 
“It is not spirit and yet not the matter with which we are familiar. It is
imponderable matter, imperceptible to the senses.”
 
“Believing in spirits, do you believe in what are called spiritual
manifestations?”
 
“Certainly. The phenomena that are presented as such are perhaps often frauds.
Perhaps only one in a hundred is a genuine communication of spirits, but the one
cannot be judged by the others. It is entitled to scientific examination, and
the reason the scientists don’t examine it is because they are afraid. They
explore in all directions till they come to shut doors, and they dare not open
them for fear of returning to the superstitions of our ancestors, who knew far
more than we do. But I believe in them because I have seen them. These mediums
cannot deceive me. I know more about it than they do. I have lived for years in
different parts of the East, and have seen far more wonderful things than they
do.”
 
“The day after I arrived in New York,” she continued, “having left Paris
suddenly (I did not think of starting until the evening before I started) I went
to see Dr. Slade. He knew I was a foreigner by my accent, but he could not tell
if I was German or French, or what. He wrote out a message in the Russian
language from a friend of my childhood, who died years ago. Again, I have had
Mrs. Thayer here overnight. She went to bed and I sat writing as I often do
until 3 or 4 in the morning. I heard her trying to say something in her sleep.
Probably (laughing heartily) her materialized grandfather was trying to appear.
I went into her room and said, ‘What is the matter?’ On the instant a shower of
freshly-cut flowers, wet with the night dew on them, fell from the air, burying
her up in the bed.”
 
“But what purpose is served by spiritual manifestations?” was asked after Mme.
Blavatsky had related several such incidents.
 
“It is proved that spirits do exist. And I have known good done in various ways
by private mediums and by mediums in the East,” was the reply. “But it cannot be
expected that pure spirits will communicate with us through such mediums as many
of those are to whom you can go and pay 50 cents or $1, or $3 or $5. It is
capable of demonstration by medical science that spirits do not communicate
through healthy persons. In some way or another mediums are all imperfect. The
spirits which are forever seeking a body to inhabit seize on those which are
defective, being unable to control those which are not. So in the East insane
persons are regarded with peculiar veneration as being possessed of spirits.”
 
“Possessed of a devil, the Scripture has it,” suggested the reporter.
 
“No. ''Daimon'' is the word in the Scriptures. It does not necessarily mean a
devil. It may mean a god. Socrates had a ''daimon'' and he certainly was not
possessed of a devil.”
 
“A god? Then do you believe in gods?”
 
“According to the Scriptures Jehovah said, ‘Fear the gods,’” was the indirect
reply. “And what do you think the theologians had the sublime impudence to do?
They translated it, ‘Fear the rulers.’ But, as to insane persons. Can any of the
medico-scientists tell the reason for insanity? Can they explain it in any way?
They stop when they come to anything that requires an explanation involving the
so-called supernatural. So called because nothing can be supernatural. The whole
universe is filled with spirits. It is nonsense to suppose that we are the only
intelligent beings in the world. I believe there is latent spirit in all matter.
I believe, almost, in the spirits of the elements. But all is governed by
natural laws. Even in cases of apparent violation of these laws the appearance
comes from a misunderstanding of the laws. In cases of certain nervous diseases
it is recorded of some patients that they have been raised from their beds by
some undiscoverable power, and it has been impossible to force them down. In
such cases it has been noticed that they float feet first with any current of
air that may be passing through the room. The wonder of this ceases when you
come to consider that there is no such thing as the law of gravitation as it is
generally understood.”
 
“I don’t think I catch your meaning, exactly,” said the reporter faintly.


...
“No. The law of gravitation is only to be rationally explained in accordance
with magnetic laws, as Newton tried to explain it, but as the world would not
accept it. If the earth is, magnetically speaking, positive, and you can make
yourself positive, you are at once repelled. It is told in a fable of Simon
Magus, that he lay down on the earth and giving her his breath took hers and
visited the stars.”


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“The world is fast coming to know many things that were known centuries ago and
were discarded through the superstition of theologians,” she continued,
referring again to Spiritualism. “The Church professes to reprobate divination,
and yet they chose their four canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
by divination. They took some hundred or so of books at the Nicene Council, and
set them up, and those that fell down they threw aside as false, and those that
stood, being these four they accepted as true, being unable to decide the
question in any other way. And out of the 318 members of the Council only
two—Eusebius, the great forger, and the Emperor Constantine—were able to read.
The rest were ignorant donkeys. And the theologians of to-day are as great
donkeys as they were. Greater than Balaam’s, for he knew a spirit when he saw
it, and owned up to it at once.”


...
“Yes, I suppose there will be any quantity of mud thrown at me,” she said,
referring to the probable reception of her book by the public. “They have been
throwing mud at me ever since I came here, but that has been nothing to what
will come when the book appears.” But she laughed heartily at the prospect, and
seemed to think that the adverse criticisms which she expected from theologians
and scientists would be the best compliments she could receive.


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